
Participating in it, taking responsibility for it, advancing it. I mean, just in terms of robustly defending liberal democracy. And the future generations may not defend it in the same manner as previous generations. I mean, he says that if people don't have an accurate and positive view of Australia, then our democracy will start to be attacked from the outside. I think if you look to what Peter Jennings said, he's the head of our peak national security think tank. What is the impact of that warped view being fed to impressionable children?

You've said the current curriculum teaches children an overwhelmingly negative, miserable view of Australia. And I think that the curriculum authority is quite rightly taking that into account. This is the concerns from thousands of people who made submissions, from peak historians, from peak mathematics associations. I think they have listened to some of my concerns. That is why I have been critical of the draft revised curriculum which has been put out. Can't learns the timetables, but apparently can understand whether a statue is racist in today's values. You had in the history curriculum, year two kids being asked to assess statues as to whether or not they're racist in today's contexts. You had you peak maths body effectively calling for it to be scrapped and started again. And yet in places like Singapore, they're taught in year two. The clearest example of that was in the times table, which presently is being taught in year three, it was proposing they'd be taught in year four. It had standards going backwards, for example, in mathematics.

And yes, I have been very strong in relation to the draft revised curriculum, which was put out by the independent authority ACARA, and for a number of reasons. This is very important, what goes into the national curriculum, because that sets the standards right across Australia. I just want to see a good outcome here, Nick. Would you agree you’re playing politics on this? Stirring up a debate in a way which they say is unhelpful. That you’ve commissioned this independent review, which they’ve supported, but while the independent review is undertaking its work, you’re running a running commentary on it.

Minister Tudge, some of the state education ministers are saying that you’re playing politics with the national curriculum. That’s what children need to understand, appreciate, so that they can defend our liberal democracy just as previous generations have. Because ultimately, we live in one of the most egalitarian, most wealthy, most tolerant societies that has ever existed in the history of humankind, anywhere in the world.

What I’m trying to do is get a good education for our young children, which means we have to have a good, rigorous curriculum, which raises standards, imbeds evidence-based teaching practice such as phonics, and has a balanced but optimistic view of Australia. The Victorian Education Minister James Merlino has said your remarks about the curriculum were aimed at inciting culture wars. Joining us now is Federal Education Minister, Alan Tudge, who’s facing a revolt of sorts from the Labor states over his efforts to improve the curriculum from what he says is C grade, to A plus.
